The Law School

6/10/2020

Issue 10, Volume 18

EdGeLoRd

henry

6/10/2020 10:45:16 pm

Anyone paying full fees or CSP for the MLS law degree is crazy. There's no return on investment. If you're not top 10% of the class after first year, drop out, as you'll have no prospects of work- also law degrees have a bad stigma about them which stops you getting any other job.

You should all be demanding full refunds or at least 90% discounts on your fees.

Hannah

6/10/2020 11:11:28 pm

Productive and timely insight champ. Thoughts on how to demand at least 90% discounts?

7/10/2020 12:36:28 am

Henry,

You've been leaving this same comment on different articles relentlessly throughout the year. Are you a law student at MLS? Why do you follow De Minimis? Is this just a poor attempt at a troll?

I think we'd genuinely appreciate an answer at this point.

Cheers buddy.

19/10/2020 11:06:35 pm

So you’re saying the thousands of lawyers currently employed out there were all within the 10%?.... pretty sus

Anon

7/10/2020 11:03:54 am

This is absolutely untrue as I was not in the top 10% of the class and was able to secure a job even during COVID. I agree with OE - I don't see a point of you posting :)

henry

7/10/2020 05:45:29 pm

Think you need to wake up to yourselves.

Are there any hard, credible figures (not from voluntary surveys- which notoriously tend to positively inflate job statistics) about how many Melb law graduates get jobs? If you're not in the top 10% after first year, you are facing a very bad future. This was the case well before the virus....

Also, how much is the markup on the law school selling a degree for 40k plus per year, when they used to charge about 3k for it? Wonder what the profit margin is now, now its all online...

You need to be active, aware, ,skeptical consumers, I dont think you are. Just watch out when reality hits you after you graduate.

Huh?

7/10/2020 08:56:00 pm

In hindsight, I would've agreed with you - a Melbourne JD is certainly not worth a full price tag. I was fortunate enough to be given a CSP, but misfortunate enough to be born in circumstances that warranted it.

However, the rest of your message reads like a troll, and I already feel like a loser for responding.

Just because mode of instruction has temporarily shifted to online, you expect there to be savings? Do teaching staff (who earn drastically more than typical lawyers) suddenly cost less, because they're teaching over zoom? The transition to online learning no doubt has its own costs attached.

What other savings do you think there are? The University is transparent on its fee structures, and where our money is going (regardless of whether you're CSP or full-fee).

Needless to say, cost saving measures will be made behind the scenes at the University to cover the effects of COVID, but they aren't necessarily going to be felt by us (I'm thinking professional services, research staff, and so on).

On the top 10%, you're painting a wide stroke. With crayon. On a chalkboard. I would say you will be generally be fine with a 65+, and have seen wonderful careers arise out of a range of different marks.

There are many factors at play, and your (assumed) lack of success (which is in itself subjective) is not indicia of future students' performance.

henry

8/10/2020 02:53:12 am

So no hard statistics showing that law school is worth it. And my point was the markup on law degrees was already absolutely enormous prior to the virus, before everything was online.

Time to demand full proper job stats and full fee refunds. Also, unfortunately, law degrees have a powerful negative stigma for non law jobs.

If you're not top 10% after first year, drop out, its all over. It really is that stark and that simple.

I can't believe I'm replying to this troll comment but here

8/10/2020 09:27:22 pm

https://law.unimelb.edu.au/students/career-services/career-outcomes

henry

10/10/2020 03:51:13 am

Note this section:
<i>The results rely on the veracity of the data reported to us as well as data obtained from other sources – for example, our annual interviews with law firms and other organisations where graduates work</i>

In other words, grads who are working likely have their stats reported by the big employers. So even if these grads don't fill in the survey, they can often be found and listed as 'employed'. The grads that don't get jobs, and don't get followed up this way are are usually much less likely to fill in the survey and thus not appear in the results..

The advice stands: if not in the top 10% after first year, drop out!

Please don't entertain the troll

12/10/2020 04:24:24 pm

See name

henry

3/11/2020 04:18:45 pm

Unfortunately the cartoon feeds into a major myth law students have: that the worst that will happen to them is they'll work for a 'corporate firm' and they'll be bored/unsatisfied.

In fact, what will happen to the majority of them is simple, prolonged unemployment, unable to get any job and then having to remove the law degree from the resume. Sad but true.

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