Issue 5, Volume 18 ANONYMOUS The LSS was contacted for comment by De Minimis. Their response is included at the end of the article. As clerkship and graduate offer season is in full swing, JD students’ Facebook pages are in overdrive. It seems like nearly every couple of hours there is a post from the LSS or the GLSA just “letting us know” that a firm is open for applications. Or perhaps it’s an informative discussion with a firm employee and an LSS committee member, so that you can “get a feel” for what life is like at the firm. But if you’ve been following this stuff for a while, you might begin to notice that it’s only certain firms that get these posts. These firms are the ones that primarily fund the LSS, and in return the LSS spruiks them hard to us, the students. Which begs the question, just like Insta influencers in the US now must (#ad), should the LSS be disclosing when something is a sponsored post? In 2019, according to MULSS’ Financial Report, LSS sponsorship revenue totalled $244,950, nearly double that of ticket sales, and this number has been growing every year. Sponsorship is, of course, somewhat of a necessary evil – the LSS requires funds to throw costly events and provide services. However, the LSS sponsorship model has become almost a transactional scenario: the firms expect and require not only their name on the event or activity (who could forget Allens-Linklaters Yoga), but also that the firms are promoted and sold to us as students on social media, and in return the LSS gets large amounts of money. So, does the LSS require this much sponsorship income? Year after year, the LSS is taking in more revenue than expenditure, to a point now where 2019 LSS cash reserves were sitting at $426,242. Given that the LSS has presumably had remarkably little expenditure this year due to COVID, that amount will have likely spiked by the end of 2020. With a pool of half a million dollars – and growing – just tucked away for a rainy day, the LSS does not really have a financial incentive to keep soliciting sponsorship from firms. Yet it still happens, and as students, the outcome of this sponsorship shapes our time and the culture at MLS.
The MULSS Careers Facebook page is the primary way that the firms leverage their sponsorship into a large-scale advertising campaign. The MULSS Careers page now has over 1,500 members and has posts from the Careers team nearly every day – sometimes even twice or three times a day. When students join the page, it would be reasonable to assume that they would be exposed to opportunities across the law from a diverse range of people, educating students on a wide range of opportunities ranging from corporate to family, criminal to government, human rights to international. However, despite some tokenistic promotions to the contrary (Beyond Law School series), what students are instead exposed to is thinly veiled firm advertising. For example, Baker McKenzie has now featured an insane amount of times – their arrangement with the Careers team means that the LSS is promoting Bakers on the post every single time the firm releases a video as part of its promotional Baker’s Dozen campaign. The question remains – do law students expect these posts to be paid sponsorship, or do they expect a fair and balanced range of available opportunities from all firms and areas, regardless of whether or not the firm has lined the pockets of the LSS? When it comes to a lack of disclosure, the Clerkship Guide is another big offender. LSS sponsors are thanked for contributing their time and effort, however there is no mention made of their monetary contribution. One glaring omission from the clerkship guide this year is a firm profile for MinterEllison. It seems strange that despite being the largest Australian law firm by revenue that they would be overlooked by the LSS Careers team, but the reality is that Minters did not feature in the guide because Minters did not pay the LSS for a spot in the guide this year. Rather than accurately displaying a range of potential firms and providing actual genuine advice, the Clerkship Guide has devolved into a booklet full of paid advertising and testimonials. Over 20% of the Guide’s 222 pages is made up of full-page advertisements for various sponsor firms, and the ‘articles’ on practice areas are often nothing more than advertorials spruiking the benefits of the firm in that area. Sponsorship obviously helps the LSS host events, however it is clear that the LSS is now requisitioning more sponsorship than is required for our purposes. Law students deserve to be valued as more than mere advertising targets, and the LSS should take responsibility for ensuring that its publications and social media posts are genuine and not just paid advertisements in disguise. It appears that the LSS has become too accommodating to the demands of firms, and there needs to be a pushback on what the LSS is and is not willing to do to satisfy them. This arrangement may be problematic. Future directors may find it hard to balance competing incentives, both to acquiesce to the cutthroat demands of reputation management imposed by corporate firms eyeing potential clerkship or graduate candidates, whilst also pushing back if those arrangements begin to fall outside the best interests of students. But, at the very least, if this promotion is going to continue, perhaps we could receive disclosure about whether or not the post is sponsored and how much each firm has contributed? Anonymous is a second-year JD student. Response from MULSS Leadership Team We are always seeking to improve and be as transparent as we can. It is very near the end of our term, so the suggestion of clearly identifying sponsored posts will be passed on to the 20/21 LSS Committee. We encourage everyone to get in touch with suggestions like these. The MULSS has an obligation to students to elicit the level of sponsorship required to ensure that we can continue to run important events and initiatives. This is in the best interests of the student body. The MULSS does far more than just throw social events. We provide a scholarship supporting financially disadvantaged students, run Book Fairy and the STS tutorials, and also receive sponsorship for portfolios like Education, ESJ, Queer, Women’s and the Indigenous Representative who are doing vital advocacy work and running varied, often career-focused events. Our sponsored posts are not ad hoc arrangements which are the discretion of any one portfolio or director. At the beginning of each year, the MULSS puts together a prospectus of potential opportunities for engagement and related entitlements. These entitlements are presented equally among firms and remain constant from year to year, as we often have repeat sponsors. The posts we make are ones that firms have paid for well in advance, as per the prospectus. We can also assure readers that neither the Careers nor Sponsorship Director acquiesce to firms. Students’ interests are always at the forefront of our relationships with sponsors. The newly introduced Ethical Sponsorship initiative as well as significant advocacy against some firms’ proposed COVID changes are examples. The content on MULSS Careers also includes posts about LSS-run initiatives. As an example, the page has multiple posts about our Beyond Law School Series which informs students about Family Law, Criminal Law, Associateships, CLCs, and the Bar. It is unfortunate that the author views these as ‘tokenistic’ as many students find these initiatives a valuable opportunity to engage with leading practitioners from these important areas. Other posts, such as the recent post advising final year students of the firms who are taking market applications, are made because we think they are important. We want to make sure MLS students have access to multiple opportunities. The article’s representations regarding the LSS’s financial position are speculative and misleading. The figures in the Financial Report did not consist of solely corporate sponsorship revenue, but also included other sources of revenue. These figures were also the position at 30 June 2019 - over 14 months ago. The LSS’s assets have not “spiked” due to COVID-19 and the speculation that the assets are close to half a million dollars is not at all reflective of our current assets. No attempt was made to contact the Treasurer to discuss the LSS’s accurate financial position. The reference to the Baker McKenzie podcast series is misleading. The Baker’s Dozen series contained 13 episodes and the Careers Directors posted 3 of these. Many of the sessions targeted skill building (e.g. interviewing) which would be useful regardless of where students choose to apply. We also advise that MinterEllison made a strategic decision to partner with our Queer Portfolio, rather than participate in the Clerkship Guide. We are supportive of firms getting involved with initiatives that are of particular significance to them. On a personal note, we would be lying if we said this article wasn’t distressing to us. We take on the article’s main suggestion, and can look to have it implemented. Any student can come to us directly with this kind of suggestion. However, the implication that we would sell out our peers, when their interests are at the heart of everything we and the LSS have been working for in such a tough year, has been hurtful.
LSS or Pip Nicholson?
2/9/2020 06:29:08 pm
LSS getting a little defensive in their response there while completely missing the point of the article??? almost sounds a little bit like someone else we know
LSS RISE UP
2/9/2020 06:32:12 pm
They targeted the LSS.
We get it
2/9/2020 06:45:35 pm
This comment was mildly amusing the first time, now it’s just repetitive. New content pls
Please Go to Therapy
2/9/2020 06:53:46 pm
This is very upsetting to read. I don't agree with the article, but Christ.
Is this satire?
2/9/2020 07:01:48 pm
No for real is this satire? if so it's good. I need to know. It's eating me up inside.
copy pasta
2/9/2020 07:08:16 pm
it's an adoption of a classic copy pasta
Yes
2/9/2020 07:07:20 pm
It’s satire. Commenter has had similar iterations before
THANKS LADS
2/9/2020 08:17:37 pm
Still gave me hives but I do luv a laff x
Or we could take our own initiative?
2/9/2020 06:44:38 pm
I have always perceived the student society run events to be just one resource to use in gaining exposure to firms and alternative options. I found it useful that there were events ranging from mock interviews to networking nights with lots of different firms as that is something I didn’t have much of in my studies elsewhere. I also took advantage of the non-law firm events like the public interest panels, careers guide and other lss run events that weren’t sponsored.
true but...
2/9/2020 06:47:39 pm
Isn't the problem more that it's just become actual advertising at this point? I don't think anyone expects the LSS to spoon feed opportunities, but should they really just be making random posts without saying this was paid for? idk author kinda has a point
Original poster
2/9/2020 07:09:15 pm
I mean I guess so, but I feel like most of the events I’ve seen have said ‘proudly sponsored by’ or similar? Maybe I’ve just missed where it wasn’t explicitly put on
F
2/9/2020 06:49:18 pm
Preach!
LSS funding where?
2/9/2020 06:51:03 pm
LSS says they don't have a spike in cash reserves due to COVID - would the LSS care to explain exactly where all the sponsorship money has gone in a year when close to zero physical events have happened, and close to zero physical services have been delivered??
just contact the treasurer bro
2/9/2020 06:53:13 pm
hey bro its not our responsibility to be a transparent organisation just contact the treasurer bro he'll show you all our bank accounts bro don't worry I swear it's cool bro
Excuse me?
2/9/2020 06:55:02 pm
she*
JUST CONTACT THE TREASURER SIS
2/9/2020 06:56:59 pm
hey sis its not our responsibility to be a transparent organisation just contact the treasurer sis he'll show you all our bank accounts sis don't worry I swear it's cool sis
Just a thought
3/9/2020 09:43:44 am
I’m just thinking- maybe only LSS members are entitled to a right to financial information under the law? If so it would made sense that they can’t share these finances in a de minimis blog post that is accessible to everyone and anyone
Too much time
2/9/2020 06:55:06 pm
This could have been an email.
no time
2/9/2020 10:13:01 pm
we all know the lss would just ignore it
No attempt
2/9/2020 10:24:56 pm
Have you tried? I certainly have and have always been pleasantly surprised by how I have been treated in return.
2020 mood
2/9/2020 07:01:07 pm
Eh. Tbh I couldn’t care less whether Firm A has paid X and Firm B has only paid Y.
reminder
2/9/2020 07:05:15 pm
the LSS is registered with the ACNC tho, so are they a marketing business for firms or actually ~for the student body~?
Not really fair
2/9/2020 07:13:00 pm
Look from what I’ve seen the lss does a lot more than just advertise for firms and a lot of money and time is put towards advocacy and support for students. In particular, the lss has done a lot that has helped me this semester with sorting out online learning and issues with faculty and I’ve previously used book fairy. The ‘ads’ or sponsored events as well do have a benefit for students. I went to events on campus for free and got to meet people from firms I otherwise wouldn’t have met. That is for the student benefit as far as I’m concerned
Good things require money
2/9/2020 07:14:11 pm
The only reason they can do things to benefit the student body is because they seek sponsorship. Not sure about you, but I will cop a couple of FB posts if it means I can get some of the price of my books back bc I literally can’t afford them
0934509813098
2/9/2020 07:07:22 pm
thank you 'anonymous' for this contribution
AGM coming up
2/9/2020 07:16:12 pm
I mean if you’re really concerned you could attend the AGM that is usually around this time and see the financials for yourself.. even I know that it’s released every year then as a bare minimum
AGM
2/9/2020 07:23:43 pm
I wonder if we'll get to see how much each firm 'donated' lol
Academic Misconduct
2/9/2020 07:22:50 pm
This article is literally the equivalent of finding a journal article on Westlaw and quoting it even though you've only read the title. Isn't there a de min board that screens this stuff? If you're gonna quote figures or make assumptions on their finances, why didn't the author contact the LSS treasurer to get them verified? Looks like the author either has an axe to grind or is just straight up lazy and didn't do their research.
Again with the LSS, let’s fix it
2/9/2020 07:25:35 pm
I definitely support this sentiment. More transparency is needed from the LSS in terms of sponsorship and influences, private benefit and interests, and how and why it is in the interest of the whole student cohort.
bad faith de min powerposting
2/9/2020 07:29:46 pm
Unfortunately for everyone I think the above post is made in bad faith. Here is why...
AGM?
2/9/2020 07:36:52 pm
Why is the only rebuttal any LSS people can make is come to the AGM? How about acknowledgement that they serve their members and should do more to be transparent throughout the year? Telling people to just run for positions and attend the AGM is not an answer cmon
Hmmm
2/9/2020 08:00:38 pm
Can’t tell if this comment is satire or not?
DPRK LOGIC DEMINIMIS POSTING
2/9/2020 10:53:27 pm
Lack of people publicly criticising the demonstrably prickly and vindictive LSS is widespread support?
'Who dares publicly criticise the LSS'
2/9/2020 11:14:22 pm
Isn't that exactly the problem? The culture is so foul that people only feel comfortable voicing their opinions anonymously via De Min?
Antony Green
2/9/2020 07:36:55 pm
Lol, 'AGAIN WITH THE LSS, LET’S FIX IT's comment sounds like someone who is running for something? Looking forward to see which candidate busts out those lines. How cringey, ew.
Right?
2/9/2020 07:39:14 pm
Isn’t a de minimis editor about to run for president of the lss? Motivation behind spike in anti-lss articles might have something to do with an upcoming campaign?
'spike'
2/9/2020 07:50:43 pm
there's been one article about the LSS all semester, ease up turbo
Turbo
2/9/2020 07:54:09 pm
Pretty sure there were two today, hot stuff x
hot stuff
2/9/2020 07:57:23 pm
ah yes the one from the anonymous non-binary student about gender identity... truly an article designed to bring the lss down??? get over yourselves pls xx
Cringey
2/9/2020 08:47:47 pm
Cringey, ew that someone cares about the running of their student union which handles enormous amounts of money?
OK MF
2/9/2020 07:38:33 pm
Hahaha you really are all about transparency. Even this attempt at an anon comment is pretty transparent.
LOL
2/9/2020 07:48:55 pm
I bet there will be more LSS articles to come right up until the election. So predictable De Min...
Okkkr
2/9/2020 07:54:55 pm
“Spike in anti-lss articles?” .... you mean this one article of the semester? You’ve just made yourself look stupid, anon LSS member
Count them
2/9/2020 07:57:46 pm
2 actually, after none all year. Maybe count them? You've made yourself look quite stupid.
Rumour has it
2/9/2020 08:00:09 pm
There are apparently more coming out in the next few weeks! Word gets around fast even from within de minimis ! Quite transparent that it’s all a campaign ploy but let’s wait and see
Max Ferguson
2/9/2020 08:03:43 pm
Howdy, anonymous commenter.
Max Ferguson
2/9/2020 08:43:33 pm
Apparently I wasn't absolutely clear:
A bit of a concern...
3/9/2020 09:42:05 am
Hi Max,
RE A BIT OF A CONCERN
3/9/2020 10:29:46 am
Lol this rumour is true, Max has been trying to actively access members’ information and has entered into a formal dispute because he has been unable to do so. Do with that what you will :)
De fam
3/9/2020 04:55:52 pm
Wow, did the people doxxing on this thread get clerkships to Arnold Bloch Libellous?
Academic Misconduct
2/9/2020 07:30:26 pm
This piece is literally the equivalent of finding a journal article on Westlaw and quoting it even though you've only read the title. Doesn't de min have some sort of board that screens this stuff? If you're gonna quote figures and make assumptions on their financials, why didn't the author contact the lss treasurer directly to verify? Seems like they either have an axe to grind or they're just lazy and didn't do the research.
Clerkship guide
2/9/2020 07:45:51 pm
the clerkship guide points are pretty spot on... that thing is just a total crock of shit. Does repeating that stuff actually get anyone a clerkship? also leaving out minters l o l
MLS Snob
2/9/2020 07:51:03 pm
Lmao, have you seen the clerkship guides produced by LSS' from other unis? I think we're gee
Think again
2/9/2020 07:58:50 pm
Lol the only interesting thing about the LSS clerkship guide is the artwork on the front
VOTE #1 PURELY DICTA
2/9/2020 08:00:26 pm
BOYCOTT DE MIN, PURELY DICTA FOR PRESIDENT !!!
purely dicta
2/9/2020 08:04:22 pm
what even is the point of PD honestly
WHO NEEDS DE MIN
2/9/2020 08:09:04 pm
TO USURP THE TEDIOUS POSITION OF DE MINIMUS !!!
Allens Freehills Utz
2/9/2020 08:01:32 pm
im surprised the lss response to this article wasn't sponsored at the rate they're going hahaha
whinge
2/9/2020 08:24:34 pm
Scandal. University law soc gets sponsorship. Boo hoo. Do you want a bar tab or not?
Why LSS so salty?
2/9/2020 08:10:32 pm
Why does the LSS seem to take any criticism as a personal insult? Their reply says they are always open to feedback, but as soon as someone offers their (very reasonable) critique, they get totally attacked by all the LSS people in the comments. As a student body aiming to improve our experience at uni, it’s disappointing that they can’t take feedback in a professional manner.
Can you read?
2/9/2020 08:16:07 pm
They...did? Read the response.
louder for the people in the back
2/9/2020 08:16:39 pm
urgh legitimately, they always say to contact them in person but this is how they behave when contacted anonymously. Why would anyone want to contact them in person? imagine the shit they'd say about you behind your back.
EXACTLY
2/9/2020 08:17:07 pm
It’s embarrassing how defensive they get - reasonable minds should be able to differ, and express their options, on the actions of the student body without it being shut down every single time by anonymous LSS members who just attempt to distract from the real point
Your Glorious Overlords
2/9/2020 08:29:42 pm
I just want to give a BIG shout out to all Committee members who have been working so TIRELESSLY in the comments of your article. Your contributions are ALWAYS appreciated and we couldn't be prouder of your work!!! I literally LOVE you more than I love my own father, and can't wait until restrictions are lifted so I can give you all a big SMOOCH
WORSHIPFUL UNDERLING
2/9/2020 08:46:50 pm
just wanted to say a big thank you for all your ADVOCACY on our behalf, you all do such a great job! where would we be without your smiling faces honestly - LOVE this committee!
MF4President
2/9/2020 08:47:18 pm
De Minimis back to being shit gossip girl again.
true
2/9/2020 08:52:42 pm
There were a couple of really lovely contributions over the last couple of weeks! What a shame
MORE ANON SNIPING AT LSS FROM DE MIN
2/9/2020 08:55:17 pm
No civilised society proceeds in the shadows, okay? If people have legitimate feedback to give to the LSS, they can just send an email 2 LSS using student email so we know its legitimate...
Interesting...
2/9/2020 09:03:38 pm
De Min deleting comments again
Online Editor
2/9/2020 09:09:05 pm
Hi all,
Ok sweaty
2/9/2020 09:12:35 pm
Don't know that the comment just deleted met any of those criteria
Online Editor
2/9/2020 09:30:50 pm
Hi Sweaty,
Pin this comment?
2/9/2020 09:15:19 pm
On a serious note De Min, can you please find out a way to pin this comment, or have it at the start of each comment thread? I think some people need the reminder before they take to the keyboard.
Vibe Check
2/9/2020 09:34:12 pm
Sorry how is Minters partnering with Queer rather than the Clerkship guide an excuse for not being in the clerkship guide? Is it a guide or a book of ads? MULSS LT is made up of some academically intelligent people, surely they could come up with a better response than this
DE MIN SUCKS
2/9/2020 09:51:19 pm
Such a joke of an article, wouldn’t be at all surprised if de min editors or such were writing these just to get a rise out of the lss
Wild LSS crony!
2/9/2020 10:01:09 pm
Classic. Doesn't engage with the article, then makes ad hominem attacks against DM editors. Look everyone, it's a classic comment from the LSS and its fans!
DE MIN STILL SUCKS
2/9/2020 10:11:52 pm
I should clarify that I’m not in the LSS, nor do I really have anything to do with them beyond attending many many panels and seminars and STSs and guest lectures and (actually attended) barbecues.
RE DM Still sucks
2/9/2020 10:19:29 pm
please stop being such a bot, you're embarrassing yourself. Also, is it really a popularity contest? Who cares about barbecue attendance, are you still in year 9 or something?
Smh
2/9/2020 10:21:27 pm
Did you read the response? They literally did take it on board. All your comment proves is that people like you will never stop whining.
LSS Bot #2
2/9/2020 10:07:01 pm
yeah can you believe de min isn't even sponsored by a corporate law firm LOL losers
De Minimis (brought to you by Baker McKenzie)
2/9/2020 10:13:48 pm
Can't wait for all DM articles to be written by firm reps with such great topics like interview 'tip and tricks' and what a day in the life of an Allens grad looks like.
foucault
2/9/2020 10:04:08 pm
I heard the reason the LSS's financials didn't 'spike' this year is cos they are spending $100k on the End Of Reign.
Rousseau
2/9/2020 10:26:17 pm
A tireless night of patting each other on the back, followed by wine, cheese and networking with firm representatives. A night to remember!
Rousseau
2/9/2020 10:35:42 pm
A tireless night of patting each other on the back and giving empty compliments, followed by wine, cheese and networking with firm representatives. A night to remember!
WE JUST WaNT MORE TRANSPARENCY
2/9/2020 10:48:14 pm
Perhaps more transparency would be nice. Simply a note on the end of sponsored posts that the exposure has in fact been paid for - akin to our favourite instagram influencers disclosing what has been gifted or what they are being paid to advertise. a little transparency goes a long way. People deserve to know when they are being influenced by advertising. This doesn't mean the content isn't helpful or appreciated. It is just nice to know.
HAHA
2/9/2020 11:08:59 pm
'I would love to see the LLS contribute more funds to worthy causes - not just within the law school through scholarships etc. but donations to those in need, such as those affected by homelessness, domestic violence, bushfires... and on.'
HAHA
2/9/2020 11:12:49 pm
The OP did say 'more', just because the LSS did one thing does that not mean they can do more?
og haha
2/9/2020 11:24:06 pm
Go to the AGM, they present this info every year. You can also email and ask for it.
HAHA
2/9/2020 11:41:51 pm
"Go to the AGM" get a new argument. The LSS couldn't be transparent enough to acknowledge what the status of their funds were in the response above, it is quite suspicious. Students shouldn't have to wait for AGMs or have to hound the LSS for a little bit of transparency.
OG HAHA
3/9/2020 12:06:13 am
No association ever has to disclose running financial accounts before they have been audited. Do you want an email every time the LSS spends money? Grow up.
OG COMMENTER
3/9/2020 03:11:30 pm
nope not an email everytime it spends money, just a note on FB posts and the like that publicity/attendance etc has been sponsored :)
NOT ON THE LSS
2/9/2020 10:49:07 pm
I for one think the LSS has been doing a first class job this year.
I STILL LIKE IKE
2/9/2020 11:54:20 pm
EVERYONE IS HATING ON THE LSS - WHY?
gO To tHe AgM
3/9/2020 12:29:20 am
Why is the lss so against transparency?
Despot-ato
3/9/2020 12:42:30 am
"despicable attempts at undermining the LSS leadership and representation of the ENTIRE student body cannot succeed"
YOU'RE A STUDENT COMMITTEE NOT A GOVERNMENT BODY PLS RELAX
3/9/2020 03:14:22 pm
as a commenter above said, its not personal banking, you're literally a committee formed in the interest of law students, transparency towards your main stakeholder is not a far-fetched request
no dog in the fight, but,
3/9/2020 07:16:28 am
That LSS response, especially the last line, is incredibly embarassing and petty. Whoever wrote that needs to rethink how they respond to disagreement and challenge before they enter the workforce.
Kendall Roy
3/9/2020 07:21:31 am
LSS trying to shut down De Min and curry favour with the Murdoch Press as usual
marley bale
3/9/2020 10:06:30 am
well, why doesn't the lss just release the data? they could even publish it on dm
COME TO AGM STOP TROLLING
3/9/2020 11:42:01 am
If you want access to the LSS's confidential information, don't make rude suggestions on online forums - come to the AGM or ask one of the friendly LSS representatives, don't make bad faith attempts to get it leaked online. You need to follow the procedure and come to the AGM to ask.
AGM again
3/9/2020 11:43:48 am
I am begging you - get a new bloody argument!
MULSS Lord Chancellor Darth Opticius
3/9/2020 01:26:33 pm
Can't wait for people to actually rock up to the AGM and see the LSS standard-bearers wearing their dark robes and sacrificing co-opts to Allen himself.
Nice one guys
3/9/2020 11:11:31 am
There seems to be a couple of comments anonymously leaking information about an individual that ought, surely, to be somewhat confidential, no? Honestly, it just looks like LSS is closing ranks and playing dirty at this point. And this is coming from someone who was sympathetic with the LSS after reading the article and response...
EXACTLY
3/9/2020 11:41:17 am
I agree. It seems very juvenile and even low-key bullying.
Uncomfortable reader
3/9/2020 11:44:34 am
Yeah I usually love the drama of the comments but this seems really underhanded and leaves a really bad taste in my mouth as well
ARE YOU ACCUSING LSS?
3/9/2020 11:55:09 am
LSS REPRESENTS ALL STUDENTS AT MELBOURNE LAW SCHOOL. Directors have done amazing work this year defending our interests - why is an outsider running for LSS president?
Satire?
3/9/2020 12:07:00 pm
This comment is blending reality and satire. This is either some blind cultish faith, or a very funny comment. I'm going with satire.
AN OUTSIDER
3/9/2020 01:01:07 pm
An outsider? Seriously? This is exactly the problem with the LSS - Cliquey and sees everyone else as 'outsiders'
calm down
3/9/2020 01:51:48 pm
obviously satire, cmon.
Good Point
3/9/2020 12:09:47 pm
yes, pretty sure that all members have a statutory and constitutional right of inspection of the register of members. Trying to spin it as if a certain person is just "trying to get his grubby mits on YOUR personal information" is really gross and is verging on character assassination
Apart but together
3/9/2020 12:19:33 pm
For everybody dwelling on all the negativity here - let's just take a moment to reflect on this as a law school community. Frankly, after having been apart for so long, I think a good old fashioned DM comments section dumpster fire was exactly what we needed - it's something that we can all do together. I miss you guys.
Marbury v Madison
3/9/2020 12:21:13 pm
From memory there is a bit in the MULSS constitution stating that the official register of members is kept with faculty to minimise the privacy issues around student directors having the personal info of their peers.
MULSS Careers Publication Ghost editor (co-opt)
3/9/2020 01:29:04 pm
Has anyone ever seen the LSS and Allens in the same room??
You did this for what?
3/9/2020 01:33:38 pm
Call me desensitised but why does it really matter? The LSS doesn't charge membership fees - its not like the money is coming out of our pockets. Sure, there's a big commercial law focus but seeing as well all know its just for sponsorship so they can run things like ball, mooting, book fairy etc. what's the issue? Its not like the LSS committee gets paid for their work or are trying to misrepresent the money/associations they have for nefarious purposes - every event etc. that is sponsored very clearly says so.
More cliche Lss talking points
3/9/2020 02:05:57 pm
- Being a volunteer doesn't make you immune from criticism.
MORE CLICHE DE MINIMIS TROLLING
3/9/2020 02:54:14 pm
This is the sort of nonsense LSS has to put up with. LSS are volunteers - if you don't like the level of service, you volunteer.
D Denito
3/9/2020 01:44:55 pm
Classic case of “shooting the messenger”.
end sponsorship
3/9/2020 02:31:06 pm
Let's just can sponsorship all together. Then the LSS wont run anything except perhaps a couple of BBQs and we wont have STS, Clerkship Guide, Book Fairy.
LSS brain
3/9/2020 04:07:58 pm
did you read the response?? it clearly does not say they will implement it
Yep
3/9/2020 05:14:46 pm
They have less than 2 months left. Also, to implement this suggestion there may be approvals required from all directors.
WHOSE IDEA WAS IT TO GET LSS MEMBERS TO FLOOD THIS WITH 'GO TO THE AGM'
3/9/2020 03:15:53 pm
guys, we don't need access to your bank accounts. We just want to know when promotion has been paid for...
can you read
3/9/2020 03:48:37 pm
read the response
Can you read??
3/9/2020 04:04:39 pm
the response doesn't say they will do it, it says the current committee can't be bothered because it's too late in their term, so maybe the next committee will do it.
ARE YOU rEALLY USING THE 'CAN YOU READ' COMEBACK?
3/9/2020 11:47:47 pm
obviously I can read... and I have not read that the LSS will be taking the feedback onboard or disclosing sponsored posts... please enlighten me as to where it says that.
Official Response
3/9/2020 04:29:39 pm
The LSS has decided to take on board the feedback and our new motto for the rest of our term is "transparency". Therefore as a symbol of our commitment we are revealing that every pro-LSS comment on this article was in fact sponsored by our dear friends at King Ellison & Leibler. The generous sponsorship deal will secure everyone access to free printed materials for their subjects for the remainder of semester.
Bernie Sanders
4/9/2020 06:17:35 pm
If the LSS stop being so selfish, they could subsidise our medical bill. Medicare for all.
Criminal Enthusiast
6/9/2020 05:58:05 pm
Most if not all of the firms that involve themselves with student life are either commercial or personal injury firms; it's slightly disheartening for students who want similar access and information from criminal firms (or other areas like family law).
...
7/9/2020 03:22:17 pm
There's literally a criminal law panel put on by the LSS tomorrow night
huh
7/9/2020 08:26:12 pm
there was also a plaintiff firm/personal injury panel last sem
Beyond Law School
7/9/2020 11:40:17 pm
You aren't looking hard enough.
None of the BLS or ESJ panels are sponsored
10/9/2020 01:04:17 am
Careers events this sem have included panels on Associateships, the Bar, Family Law, CLCs and Crim - all non-sponsored and sourced by students to showcase a range of experiences. I suggest going next year (and to other public-focused events hosted by ESJ and PILC) - I've definitely learned a lot!
'sourced by students'
12/9/2020 07:47:48 pm
also worth noting that those panellists are sourced by the very students commenters are attacking.
a confused first year
7/9/2020 12:15:43 am
After 1.5 semesters of the esteemed $100k Zoom Juris Doctor I am confused who the LSS even are. Are the accounts that spam firm-sponsored content in the JD 2020 FB page not bots? Are they related to this secret "Society"? Now I find out there's underground tension between these AI robots and the humans. How will I know which tribe my pixelated break-out room buddies belong to? On a side note, I hope to be able to reap some of these sponsored benefits such as the famous "Law Ball" before I celebrate completing my studies by throwing my graduation cap at my webcam in 2022.
LSS made a mistake
7/9/2020 12:37:24 pm
They left out their sponsor in the title...
End of Reign
8/9/2020 10:59:01 am
Its too bad the LSS cannot hold an End of Reign party as they traditionally do, but I heard this year that instead they are splurging on extravagant gifts for each of their senior members, as a way of patting each other on the back! Comments are closed.
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