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De Minimis Needs to Change

10/5/2020

 
Issue 10, Volume 17

​ANONYMOUS

Guys it’s time for all the bullying and shit stirring to stop. Last night we all saw De Minimis publish another tired attack on the so called snobbish culture of Melbourne Law School and the entirely predictable trash heap that resulted in the comments section. Frankly I’m tired of these constantly negative attacks against my fellow students. Its time we start seriously asking for change.
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Reading articles from a couple of years ago you could be forgiven for thinking that De Minimis was a halfway respectable publication. The paper used to publish interesting and researched stories from students about the development of the law or actually amusing observations about student life. Sadly these past few years the quality of DM has declined to the abysmal standard we see today, a ‘magazine’ that alternates between lazy inside jokes and haikus that nobody reads seemingly written by the same two or three people on rotation mixed with the occasional controversy-bait taking aim at their fellow students for the crimes of doing their best to survive and give each other support during a difficult degree.

It seems obvious that DM really has nothing better to write about these days than to stir up controversy and anger between their fellow students. In the past few years they’ve published openly racist articles or articles making fun of people’s physical appearance. When they’re not busy doing this their other favourite targets seem to be the hardworking members of student leadership bodies trying to make everybody’s (including the people at DMs) degrees a little bit easier, or taking swipes at the so-called elitist culture at MLS (read people who actually give a damn about their careers that they’re spending years working toward). These kind of pieces instead of being legitimate and informative journalism does nothing more than damage the already under pressure mental health of the students who are the targets of these kind of attacks in a degree which is already likely to lead to lasting stress anxiety and depression.

Of course we’re all ready for the predictable excuse. “We only publish what students give us – if you want different content write yourself.” Frankly this excuse is getting old fast. De Minimis isn’t some helpless organisation powerless to control their own content. They’re a publication in charge and responsible for the stories they choose to put out, under the same ethical guidelines as any other media outlet. Secondly it seems that DM often takes a position themselves trying to stir up more controversy and anger writing these articles themselves, to actively seeking out these kind of stories and angles. Earlier this week the editors swooped in on Facebook threads to stir up anger and generate more of those deliciously click-baity rants about the hard work of the LSS to find a solution to the clerkship crisis caused by COVID. If they were genuinely concerned about this as a story they might have investigated and written something long before. Instead they only show up to feed and farm the anger of a small group of butthurt people who weren’t 100% happy about some changing dates. Finally if De Min really wants to change its stories maybe they should think about their reputation and the standard they’re setting!

My goal in writing this isn’t to suggest that the editors or writers of De Minimis are personally bad people. But for a while now they have been contributing to an unfriendly culture at law school and we need to ask them to change. Stop publishing anonymous hate pieces against your fellow students and faculty. Start seriously considering the impact your articles have on the feelings of others. I’d love for DM to be a thoughtful and supportive forum for law students to share their experiences and stories. But until we start fighting for a change in their standards, it won’t be. 

Anonymous.​
LSS RISE UP
10/5/2020 07:08:27 pm

They targeted the LSS.

The LSS.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of our CVs all to draw out a single extra point in our pursuit of a clerkship at Allens.

Many of us have made our livelihoods out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same emails to stakeholders over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know every little detail such that some have attained such LSS nirvana that they can literally recite the LinkedIn bios of KWM partners blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many pages of Arlen's books have been highlighted, word documents freezing, disks and carts destroyed in frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They try to hold us accountable for our actions as elected representatives? We're already building a new law society without them. They make fun of our events? The LSS gang aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making events only for ourselves.

They think calling us boring, elitist, hypocrites is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 14 year olds when we were house prefects at Melbourne's most prestigious schools. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitised to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challenge when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with peers and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

The LSS members are competitive and hardcore, by nature. We love a challenge. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challenge us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another clerkship application.

LSS Has Risen Up
10/5/2020 07:11:22 pm

Quality shit post worthy of this nonsense article - someone just trying to stir up more drama for little gain

Hypocrite
10/5/2020 07:10:43 pm

> Article against calling people out

> calls people out (butthurt people)

Do you need some extra clown facepaint?

LSS Rise Up
10/5/2020 07:13:10 pm


DE MINIMIS NEEDS TO CHANGE
10/5/20203 Comments

Issue 10, Volume 17

​ANONYMOUS

Guys it’s time for all the bullying and shit stirring to stop. Last night we all saw De Minimis publish another tired attack on the so called snobbish culture of Melbourne Law School and the entirely predictable trash heap that resulted in the comments section. Frankly I’m tired of these constantly negative attacks against my fellow students. Its time we start seriously asking for change.
Picture
Image: Pexels
Reading articles from a couple of years ago you could be forgiven for thinking that De Minimis was a halfway respectable publication. The paper used to publish interesting and researched stories from students about the development of the law or actually amusing observations about student life. Sadly these past few years the quality of DM has declined to the abysmal standard we see today, a ‘magazine’ that alternates between lazy inside jokes and haikus that nobody reads seemingly written by the same two or three people on rotation mixed with the occasional controversy-bait taking aim at their fellow students for the crimes of doing their best to survive and give each other support during a difficult degree.

It seems obvious that DM really has nothing better to write about these days than to stir up controversy and anger between their fellow students. In the past few years they’ve published openly racist articles or articles making fun of people’s physical appearance. When they’re not busy doing this their other favourite targets seem to be the hardworking members of student leadership bodies trying to make everybody’s (including the people at DMs) degrees a little bit easier, or taking swipes at the so-called elitist culture at MLS (read people who actually give a damn about their careers that they’re spending years working toward). These kind of pieces instead of being legitimate and informative journalism does nothing more than damage the already under pressure mental health of the students who are the targets of these kind of attacks in a degree which is already likely to lead to lasting stress anxiety and depression.

Of course we’re all ready for the predictable excuse. “We only publish what students give us – if you want different content write yourself.” Frankly this excuse is getting old fast. De Minimis isn’t some helpless organisation powerless to control their own content. They’re a publication in charge and responsible for the stories they choose to put out, under the same ethical guidelines as any other media outlet. Secondly it seems that DM often takes a position themselves trying to stir up more controversy and anger writing these articles themselves, to actively seeking out these kind of stories and angles. Earlier this week the editors swooped in on Facebook threads to stir up anger and generate more of those deliciously click-baity rants about the hard work of the LSS to find a solution to the clerkship crisis caused by COVID. If they were genuinely concerned about this as a story they might have investigated and written something long before. Instead they only show up to feed and farm the anger of a small group of butthurt people who weren’t 100% happy about some changing dates. Finally if De Min really wants to change its stories maybe they should think about their reputation and the standard they’re setting!

My goal in writing this isn’t to suggest that the editors or writers of De Minimis are personally bad people. But for a while now they have been contributing to an unfriendly culture at law school and we need to ask them to change. Stop publishing anonymous hate pieces against your fellow students and faculty. Start seriously considering the impact your articles have on the feelings of others. I’d love for DM to be a thoughtful and supportive forum for law students to share their experiences and stories. But until we start fighting for a change in their standards, it won’t be.

Anonymous.​

LSS RISE UP
10/5/2020 07:08:27 PM
They targeted the LSS.

The LSS.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of our CVs all to draw out a single extra point in our pursuit of a clerkship at Allens.

Many of us have made our livelihoods out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same emails to stakeholders over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know every little detail such that some have attained such LSS nirvana that they can literally recite the LinkedIn bios of KWM partners blindfolded.

D

Journalism is when you create warm fuzzy feelings
10/5/2020 07:13:28 pm

Thank you, kind author, for letting us know that criticising the LSS is unethical

secondly without a firstly?
10/5/2020 07:15:22 pm

This article is the lowest quality so far. One sentence is 72 (boring and grammatically-average) words long. Also you whine that the magazine is full of attacks and ~bad vibes~ yet that's all you contribute.

X Æ A-12
10/5/2020 07:21:14 pm

Yes DM publishes some pretty objectionable stuff, but this is only because objectionable and messed up stuff happens at MLS on the frequent. DM holds up a mirror to what goes on at 185 Pelham Street - yes, you're entitled to attack DM for doing this, but why aren't you attacking and dismantling the ACTUAL vile stuff that's going on at MLS, rather than just the reporting of it (such as the aforementioned racism, bullying and elitism).

Perhaps the quality of DM has floundered in recent years is because the quality of the culture at MLS has floundered in recent years. What DM does is expose and shine a light onto this, and this is the first step in recognising our School's flaws in the effort of trying to make MLS a better place.

Bullying?
11/5/2020 07:35:52 am

Is there actual bullying going on at MLS (not including in anonymous DeMin comments)?

I am well aware of racism and elitism, but I would like to hear more about the bullying

Yes :(
11/5/2020 12:32:56 pm

A lot of the racism and elitism goes hand in hand with the bullying. For me, It was quite extreme and constant from a particular group of people... and only stopped when the school stepped in.

Marlin Buke
10/5/2020 07:23:41 pm

Can't wait til this article is cited in a years time as evidence of DM needing to change.

You can't pick and choose
10/5/2020 07:24:33 pm

I actually thought the article highlighting the less that ideal culture at MLS was one of the best so far. Something I could and did genuinely engage in as opposed to having to read something else about the law when I see enough of that at uni. Not all of us fill our minimal spare time with law too. It's good to have a piece that actually every MLS student can easily engage with, critique, agree or disagree with without needing any other knowledge, just by virtue of attending the uni.

Everyone wants different things. No need to shit of DM. You say it's a poor excuse that they "publish what they're given" but like... literally... they can only publish what they're given.

Just because you don't agree with the opinions put out in a piece doesn't mean it shouldn't be published. You've had your say and you're opportunity to feature on DM, everyone else has the same opportunity.

Ironic.
10/5/2020 07:43:43 pm

>Stop publishing anonymous hate pieces

>Submits anonymous hate piece

Lel.

Couldn’t agree more!
10/5/2020 08:24:21 pm

This article is spot on. De minimis has the potential to do so much more than create comment wars and post hate pieces!

I’m going to put my money where my mouth is though and actually write a piece. I can’t sit back and complain but not contribute a good piece myself

Pepe
10/5/2020 08:28:26 pm

"noooooo you cant just let people publish opinionarino's i disagree with".

Also, if the people of colour lunch article is the clearest example of De Minimus supposedly publishing overt racism (an article that is literally calling out *actual* racist practices), I think the issue is not with De Minimus, it's inside yourself. As an earlier comment suggests, keep applying your clown make up.

Not this again
11/5/2020 09:55:38 am

Having a people of colour lunch is about as racist as having a Women's Officer on the LSS is sexist (i.e. not at all). Its about REPRESENTATION AND INCLUSION.

Not Pepe
11/5/2020 10:35:08 am

Personally I think 'representation and inclusion' lunches etc do more harm than good by singling out certain groups and breeding resentment, but I'll agree to disagree on this point. Nonetheless - do you think it is accurate to say that the article criticising the lunch exhibited 'overt racism'?

Pepe's murkin
11/5/2020 11:34:48 am

Because if you can't land a point with reason, YOU HAVE TO YELL IT TO COMPENSATE. TAKE THAT PATRIARCHY.

pepe the second
11/5/2020 04:52:16 pm

Let me fix this for you. I think you forgot your caveat.

Its about REPRESENTATION AND INCLUSION.*

*except white people.

God, I hate nothing more than to even use the phrase 'white people', but I have no choice because that is literally the effect of the lunch.

Everyone except whites™

Credit where due
10/5/2020 08:33:01 pm

Actual respect to DM - publishing your critics is a classy move.

Samesies
11/5/2020 09:06:25 am

I was just thinking this. Pretty baller checkmate by DM

Own up to it
10/5/2020 08:59:31 pm

I think removing the ability to be anonymous as both a writer and a commenter would go a long way to reducing the toxicity that permeates much of De Min.
You can make the argument that it might reduce a freedom to express opinions, but if De Min is going to describe its publications as journalism, it should recognise that very few papers publish anonymous articles nor allow commenters to remain anonymous.
In the real world, if you want to voice an opinion, more often not, you have to put your name to it.
De Min needs to decide how it wants to identify itself. Is it a publication worthy of being called ‘journalism’, or is just a glorified Reddit thread??
And for those who criticise the ‘toxic’ culture at MLS, do you really think you’re going to change that by anonymous online sniping? Cruelty begets cruelty, and people are unlikely to rethink their attitudes because someone wrote a scratching anonymous article about them.
(And yes I realise the irony of this very comment being anonymous)

Um
10/5/2020 10:28:04 pm

Remember last year when they tried to make comments non-anonymous and no one was happy?

Really?
11/5/2020 09:32:45 am

If comments weren't anon there would be no comments, and no one would submit to De Min if there's no prospect of engagement

Unfortunate reality
10/5/2020 09:13:24 pm

Would we really get any honest opinions or submissions this way? Didn't de min trial a different comments system and then get no comments because if it? It seems that because of the culture we have, if anyone outed their name to an honest opinion they'd be hounded and ostracised - by one side or the other. De min merely makes us aware to our own flaws as a cohort.

Unfortunate Reality
10/5/2020 09:14:32 pm

Oops, this was meant to be a reply to Own Up To It

What is everybody talking about?
10/5/2020 09:37:45 pm

If I’m missing something here, please somebody explain it to me - but where the hell are all of these anonymous, toxic articles that everybody is referring to? I just skimmed all the pieces published this year, and there is the one on Friday (mildly whingey at worst), and possibly ‘The Woke Oblivion’. Like the rest of them seem to be a mixture of student-reporting, comedy and general interest articles.

bugls life
11/5/2020 09:05:23 am

De Minimis is sick - best uni mag around. Don't turn it into another tepid uni publication where people agree with each other incessantly that needs to rely on dumb gimmicks like sex tips to have any sense of interest for the student body.

Why wouldn't you want to know what the student body is thinking?

Yep
11/5/2020 09:37:05 am

Hard agree. If you don't like the articles from DM it just means you don't like what members of the cohort are actually thinking. Like it or not, there is a substantial number of JD students who agree with the general sentiment in the 'Wankers' article (though perhaps not taking issue with every single complaint made by the author). It's always better to know the truth.

Anon
11/5/2020 11:54:36 am

The anonymous comments section (and corresponding ability to publish an anonymous article) is, at worst, a necessary evil of de min. Although it predictably devolves into somewhat of a slanging match, it does provide people with the ability to express controversial views that are pertinent to MLS and its culture. How are both sides of this latest MLS 'war' supposed to engage with one another and register the other side's concerns if they don't hear these honest, unfiltered opinions about the way things are run?

I also note the irony that both this and Friday's article and the resulting discussion have only been possible due to the veil of anonymity.

galaxy brain
11/5/2020 04:38:51 pm

"(read people who actually give a damn about their careers that they’re spending years working toward)"

you say that like being a wanker and working toward your career are mutually exclusive entities

so everyone else calling out the elitism is not working towards their careers and goals? ever thought that you can do that without being an elitist piece of trash, seriously these articles are bringing out all the butthurt people who are the ones causing this toxic elitist environment at MLS and they don't like being called out on it lmaoooo

if you actually were actually good you'd be able to do that without putting others down and stepping on everyone else, brigading with other fellow wankers, then acting like that's the "way to do it if you cared about your career" as an excuse, just facts : ) if you can't do that maybe you are just weak shit

i think these publications calling out toxic culture do help, "raise awareness", it's the people who are toxic that want this suppressed lol

LSS RISE UP
11/5/2020 04:39:47 pm

They targeted the LSS.

The LSS.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of our CVs all to draw out a single extra point in our pursuit of a clerkship at Allens.

Many of us have made our livelihoods out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same emails to stakeholders over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know every little detail such that some have attained such LSS nirvana that they can literally recite the LinkedIn bios of KWM partners blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many pages of Arlen's books have been highlighted, word documents freezing, disks and carts destroyed in frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They try to hold us accountable for our actions as elected representatives? We're already building a new law society without them. They make fun of our events? The LSS gang aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making events only for ourselves.

They think calling us boring, elitist, hypocrites is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 14 year olds when we were house prefects at Melbourne's most prestigious schools. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitised to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challenge when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with peers and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

The LSS members are competitive and hardcore, by nature. We love a challenge. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challenge us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another clerkship application.

Hannah, second year
11/5/2020 04:44:55 pm

It seems the perpetual human desire to seek out a scapegoat, coupled with the extremely insular nature of the Law School leads to a sharply divided faculty. Maybe if MLS was more integrated with the general university community we could blame all our problems on M*d or E*gineering kids instead… Hah.

Whilst the LSS/Other dichotomy has been bubbling under MLS’s wine-and-cheeseboard-covered surface for some time (like years, DM archives suggest) it is unsurprising that over 100 bitter comments (from all ‘sides’) are being projectile vomited over MacBook keyboards during this actual crisis that currently threatens employment prospects for all of us. This is the proverbial matchstick on the petrol tank of an extremely career-oriented and competitive degree. (Clumsy analogy but you get the point – you’re used to reading obtuse and archaic texts.)

Censoring student journalism seems a weak alternative to acknowledging the issues that have been voiced. Surely the focus should be on strengthening communication between representatives and the represented, and cultivating transparency and approachability.

Third Year
11/5/2020 09:30:15 pm

I love this comment - articulate and concise. 5 stars!

Outraged
11/5/2020 05:29:21 pm

De Minimis? They should call it De MEAN-imis! I think this magazine is really mean, especially the recent article about ghosts hurt my feelings a lot. De MEAN-imis needs to be CANCELLED.

Raoul Renard
12/5/2020 10:12:48 am

Colleagues

You may be surprised to know that recent exchanges on Anonymous De Minimis articles have caught the attention of many MLS alums.

As a former occasional contributor to De Minimis (2013-2016), I am genuinely surprised to see the level of pettiness displayed in recent comments. I think a lot of it stems from the fact that De Min allows for anonymous articles and comments.

The bullying displayed in recent posts shows the propensity to inflict harm when there is zero accountability for what you say.

As the author suggests, there is a need to lift the tone and quality of content in DM. To my mind, a good place to start would be to revise editorial policy and only publish pieces with full attribution. By only publishing pieces that authors are prepared to have linked to them in years to come this would certainly improve civility but likely also quality.

There are so many things law students could write about were they minded. How is COVID-19 affecting students with unstable home lives? What about those with child rearing obligations? What affect does social distancing affect the marginalised, and how might pro bono legal services assist?

As to this piece, if you stop and take stock, it is an article complaining about the toxic culture of commenting on toxic culture, thereby contributing to said toxic culture. It is absurd.

When I was in law school, we found that De Minimis controversies would often spike around stressful periods on the law school calendar. SWOTVAC was usually particularly fraught, as well as clerkship season.

I can only imagine that COVID-19 has brought a host of anxieties to law school students. And surely, Instagram bragging and the self-congratulatory attitude of some of your peers is, and will continue to be, grating. Yet sniping at one another will not help anyone.

In such times, generosity of spirit will go a long way. Now is the time to lean on your fellow classmates and friends for support. If you are feeling isolated, perhaps even reach out to your LSS (who knows, they may be willing to help!). And of course, make full use of MLS and UoM resources.


I also take myself too seriously
12/5/2020 08:01:30 pm

Colleague,

Why should we be surprised? Why does it matter? The surveying eyes of the mystical 'MLS Alumni' make no difference to the discussion.

Your objection is with 'bullying'. I assume you are referring to the article with preceded this article, and other such articles targeting the LSS, but I can't know that for sure.

Unless I am missing some information, the previous article was simply a criticism of the culture of the LSS as a whole, and the observed behaviour of people in the LSS, rather than any specific person. I don't see how that amounts to bullying, nor any other reason why the LSS should be beyond criticism for their conduct, given the various reasons for students to be critical of the LSS. Even if it did target specific persons, that doesn't necessarily amount to bullying, although obviously it very easily can.


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